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Quote from: an tha on April 22, 2025, 04:15:54 PM

Quote from: Codeguy on April 22, 2025, 03:19:17 PM

Quote from: an tha on April 22, 2025, 10:13:04 AM

Funny how Americans assume if you support Palestinian independence, you support Hamas. No, Hamas is a terrorist organization.

What Kneecap knows, as does every person born in Ireland, South Africa or the US South in the pre-civil rights era, is that if you systemically choose to elevate one race over another, and the military power enforces a status quo, some people will choose violence. It's a tragic but logical consequence of saying "You are [White South African/ White Southern American/Irish Protestant, Israeli], so you get jobs, houses, police protection, good schools, healthcare, public facilities, etc.,  but you [Black Southern American/Irish Catholic/Black South African/Palestinian] get none of the above because of your [color/race/religion],  some people will choose to react to that with violence.

This doesn't mean you support the violence, it means you understand that if you change the treatment of the people, the reason for the violence stops.

Thankfully, in the US South, a pacifist was more prominent leader than the Panthers or Malcolm X, and thankfully in South Africa, Nelson Mandela was more prominent than Black leaders who advocated violence. But IF you take away the reason for the violence, most people will choose to follow the path of peace.

Fuck Hamas 100%

But of course there is a big difference between opposing what Israel are doing and supporting Hamas - just a shame that so many twist it to being the same.

For my money you can absolutely say fuck Israel for the awful shite that they are doing and have done for decades and doing so does not mean you support Hamas.

When Palestinians are parading dead Israelis including children, and raping women, and cheering, its obvious what side you're on when you say 'fuck Israel, Free Palestine'

You are utterly myopic on this subject and frankly someone whose opinion on it i have zero respect for.

Quote from: Shank on April 22, 2025, 04:19:44 PM

Quote from: an tha on April 22, 2025, 04:15:54 PM

Quote from: Codeguy on April 22, 2025, 03:19:17 PM

Quote from: an tha on April 22, 2025, 10:13:04 AM

Funny how Americans assume if you support Palestinian independence, you support Hamas. No, Hamas is a terrorist organization.

What Kneecap knows, as does every person born in Ireland, South Africa or the US South in the pre-civil rights era, is that if you systemically choose to elevate one race over another, and the military power enforces a status quo, some people will choose violence. It's a tragic but logical consequence of saying "You are [White South African/ White Southern American/Irish Protestant, Israeli], so you get jobs, houses, police protection, good schools, healthcare, public facilities, etc.,  but you [Black Southern American/Irish Catholic/Black South African/Palestinian] get none of the above because of your [color/race/religion],  some people will choose to react to that with violence.

This doesn't mean you support the violence, it means you understand that if you change the treatment of the people, the reason for the violence stops.

Thankfully, in the US South, a pacifist was more prominent leader than the Panthers or Malcolm X, and thankfully in South Africa, Nelson Mandela was more prominent than Black leaders who advocated violence. But IF you take away the reason for the violence, most people will choose to follow the path of peace.

Fuck Hamas 100%

But of course there is a big difference between opposing what Israel are doing and supporting Hamas - just a shame that so many twist it to being the same.

For my money you can absolutely say fuck Israel for the awful shite that they are doing and have done for decades and doing so does not mean you support Hamas.

When Palestinians are parading dead Israelis including children, and raping women, and cheering, its obvious what side you're on when you say 'fuck Israel, Free Palestine'

You are utterly myopic on this subject and frankly someone whose opinion on it i have zero respect for.

cool, prick 

Quote from: an tha on April 22, 2025, 04:49:05 PM

Quote from: Shank on April 22, 2025, 04:19:44 PM

Quote from: an tha on April 22, 2025, 04:15:54 PM

Quote from: Codeguy on April 22, 2025, 03:19:17 PM

Quote from: an tha on April 22, 2025, 10:13:04 AM

Funny how Americans assume if you support Palestinian independence, you support Hamas. No, Hamas is a terrorist organization.

What Kneecap knows, as does every person born in Ireland, South Africa or the US South in the pre-civil rights era, is that if you systemically choose to elevate one race over another, and the military power enforces a status quo, some people will choose violence. It's a tragic but logical consequence of saying "You are [White South African/ White Southern American/Irish Protestant, Israeli], so you get jobs, houses, police protection, good schools, healthcare, public facilities, etc.,  but you [Black Southern American/Irish Catholic/Black South African/Palestinian] get none of the above because of your [color/race/religion],  some people will choose to react to that with violence.

This doesn't mean you support the violence, it means you understand that if you change the treatment of the people, the reason for the violence stops.

Thankfully, in the US South, a pacifist was more prominent leader than the Panthers or Malcolm X, and thankfully in South Africa, Nelson Mandela was more prominent than Black leaders who advocated violence. But IF you take away the reason for the violence, most people will choose to follow the path of peace.

Fuck Hamas 100%

But of course there is a big difference between opposing what Israel are doing and supporting Hamas - just a shame that so many twist it to being the same.

For my money you can absolutely say fuck Israel for the awful shite that they are doing and have done for decades and doing so does not mean you support Hamas.

When Palestinians are parading dead Israelis including children, and raping women, and cheering, its obvious what side you're on when you say 'fuck Israel, Free Palestine'

You are utterly myopic on this subject and frankly someone whose opinion on it i have zero respect for.

cool, prick 

No need to be abusive.

It is just your opinion on this matter I have zero respect for.

Quote from: Shank on April 22, 2025, 05:08:04 PM

Quote from: an tha on April 22, 2025, 04:49:05 PM

Quote from: Shank on April 22, 2025, 04:19:44 PM

Quote from: an tha on April 22, 2025, 04:15:54 PM

Quote from: Codeguy on April 22, 2025, 03:19:17 PM

Quote from: an tha on April 22, 2025, 10:13:04 AM

Funny how Americans assume if you support Palestinian independence, you support Hamas. No, Hamas is a terrorist organization.

What Kneecap knows, as does every person born in Ireland, South Africa or the US South in the pre-civil rights era, is that if you systemically choose to elevate one race over another, and the military power enforces a status quo, some people will choose violence. It's a tragic but logical consequence of saying "You are [White South African/ White Southern American/Irish Protestant, Israeli], so you get jobs, houses, police protection, good schools, healthcare, public facilities, etc.,  but you [Black Southern American/Irish Catholic/Black South African/Palestinian] get none of the above because of your [color/race/religion],  some people will choose to react to that with violence.

This doesn't mean you support the violence, it means you understand that if you change the treatment of the people, the reason for the violence stops.

Thankfully, in the US South, a pacifist was more prominent leader than the Panthers or Malcolm X, and thankfully in South Africa, Nelson Mandela was more prominent than Black leaders who advocated violence. But IF you take away the reason for the violence, most people will choose to follow the path of peace.

Fuck Hamas 100%

But of course there is a big difference between opposing what Israel are doing and supporting Hamas - just a shame that so many twist it to being the same.

For my money you can absolutely say fuck Israel for the awful shite that they are doing and have done for decades and doing so does not mean you support Hamas.

When Palestinians are parading dead Israelis including children, and raping women, and cheering, its obvious what side you're on when you say 'fuck Israel, Free Palestine'

You are utterly myopic on this subject and frankly someone whose opinion on it i have zero respect for.

cool, prick 

No need to be abusive.

It is just your opinion on this matter I have zero respect for.

ditto- and your comment came across as a personal attack. if it wasn't, i take back my previous comment.

Quote from: an tha on April 22, 2025, 05:18:26 PM

Quote from: Shank on April 22, 2025, 05:08:04 PM

Quote from: an tha on April 22, 2025, 04:49:05 PM

Quote from: Shank on April 22, 2025, 04:19:44 PM

Quote from: an tha on April 22, 2025, 04:15:54 PM

Quote from: Codeguy on April 22, 2025, 03:19:17 PM

Quote from: an tha on April 22, 2025, 10:13:04 AM

Funny how Americans assume if you support Palestinian independence, you support Hamas. No, Hamas is a terrorist organization.

What Kneecap knows, as does every person born in Ireland, South Africa or the US South in the pre-civil rights era, is that if you systemically choose to elevate one race over another, and the military power enforces a status quo, some people will choose violence. It's a tragic but logical consequence of saying "You are [White South African/ White Southern American/Irish Protestant, Israeli], so you get jobs, houses, police protection, good schools, healthcare, public facilities, etc.,  but you [Black Southern American/Irish Catholic/Black South African/Palestinian] get none of the above because of your [color/race/religion],  some people will choose to react to that with violence.

This doesn't mean you support the violence, it means you understand that if you change the treatment of the people, the reason for the violence stops.

Thankfully, in the US South, a pacifist was more prominent leader than the Panthers or Malcolm X, and thankfully in South Africa, Nelson Mandela was more prominent than Black leaders who advocated violence. But IF you take away the reason for the violence, most people will choose to follow the path of peace.

Fuck Hamas 100%

But of course there is a big difference between opposing what Israel are doing and supporting Hamas - just a shame that so many twist it to being the same.

For my money you can absolutely say fuck Israel for the awful shite that they are doing and have done for decades and doing so does not mean you support Hamas.

When Palestinians are parading dead Israelis including children, and raping women, and cheering, its obvious what side you're on when you say 'fuck Israel, Free Palestine'

You are utterly myopic on this subject and frankly someone whose opinion on it i have zero respect for.

cool, prick 

No need to be abusive.

It is just your opinion on this matter I have zero respect for.

ditto- and your comment came across as a personal attack. if it wasn't, i take back my previous comment.

As already stated in the original post.....


It is just your opinion on this matter I have zero respect for.

They are fast becoming a band I like....

Got that absolute weapon Badenoch spewing now.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cd7n1gy94evo

https://www.the-independent.com/arts-entertainment/music/features/glastonbury-pay-to-play-loss-making-acts-bookers-backstage-workers-b2774672.html?fbclid=IwY2xjawLKUuhleHRuA2FlbQIxMABicmlkETFXMXlXYndXNGE1cWtQbW14AR4S90ZIbgboMQxlQglndKyiRrNB2IHaV6MeEliV-t_fhE3mvQBHeNrT5o-F-A_aem_bEbeS0Nok2J89hqQs0rh7A

It should be a great feeling, in short, to play Glastonbury. Yet, having talked to scores of people connected to Worthy Farm, it’s quite jaw-dropping to learn that pretty much every single act on the bill – from top to bottom – loses money from playing Glasto.

Let’s start at the Pyramid Stage. It’s common knowledge that Glastonbury pays its major headliners less than their typical fee. But it’s a calculated move: big online buzz and guaranteed live coverage on the BBC means that any shortfall can usually be recouped by increased streaming and tickets sold for future tours. One major act reportedly spent £80,000 of their own money on a Glastonbury show a few years ago, knowing they were getting prime BBC coverage. It quickly led to them selling out three major London dates, so their lack of a direct fee from Glastonbury didn’t impact them. Bands repeatedly stress in private that it’s essential to have a “TV plugger” in their Glastonbury team to guarantee that precious BBC exposure.

Sears catalogue, 1975

Publishing rights organizations vs. cafes and bars:  https://archive.is/20250711164905/https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-07-09/restaurants-bars-say-they-re-getting-squeezed-by-rising-music-licensing-costs#selection-1587.0-1595.161

Performance royalties make up about half of total publishing revenue, which is collected by PROs and dispersed to songwriters, according to the National Music Publishers’ Association. Last year, only about 5% of songwriters’ earnings came from bars, restaurants and other venues, a figure that is “significantly undervalued,” according to NMPA executive vice president and General Counsel Danielle Aguirre. “There is a substantial opportunity for growth here,” she said, speaking at the group’s annual meeting in June. The organization set a goal to significantly increase that money over the next year, likely by enforcing licensing requirements.
Several establishment owners equated the PRO’s efforts to collect fees to a mob-like shakedown, citing aggressive on-site confrontations and threatening letters.

BMI said it spends a lot of time trying to educate business owners on the value that music brings to their establishment, federal copyright law requirements and the importance of maintaining a music license.

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Excellent stuff.