Bruce Springsteen

Quote from: an tha on November 03, 2024, 06:16:58 PM

I have never been a big Springsteen fan but I have had periods where i have delved into his stuff and there is plenty of it i like.

He was always someone i had a respect for - but that died with his fucking disgusting behaviour around ticketing/pricing.

Became a fan of Bruce with The River. Fantastic album.

As for the ticketing issue, I also was disappointed he went with the dynamic pricing gimmick. I have no clue what my daughter paid for the tix she gave us, but since the last time he was in MTL was in 2008, I guess prices were not cheap at all.

I've long since reached point where in my book there is just no excuse for such greed and he even went the extra shite mile and defended it/justified it.

The likes of him are the ones who could actually drive change - but he (and others like him) are all guilty of a conspiracy of greed and as a result all respect i had for him and others like him has gone.

Quote from: MPare1966 on November 03, 2024, 08:02:45 PM

Quote from: an tha on November 03, 2024, 06:16:58 PM

I have never been a big Springsteen fan but I have had periods where i have delved into his stuff and there is plenty of it i like.

He was always someone i had a respect for - but that died with his fucking disgusting behaviour around ticketing/pricing.

Became a fan of Bruce with The River. Fantastic album.

As for the ticketing issue, I also was disappointed he went with the dynamic pricing gimmick. I have no clue what my daughter paid for the tix she gave us, but since the last time he was in MTL was in 2008, I guess prices were not cheap at all.

I've long since reached point where in my book there is just no excuse for such greed and he even went the extra shite mile and defended it/justified it.

The likes of him are the ones who could actually drive change - but he (and others like him) are all guilty of a conspiracy of greed and as a result all respect i had for him and others like him has gone.

The one little bit of credit I’ll give him is that he didn’t try to deflect and blame someone else for the pricing.  He came out and said it was his decision, and didn’t try to lay blame on a manager or Ticketmaster/live nation.

But like you said, he let greed take over his decision making.

Quote from: an tha on November 03, 2024, 08:20:34 PM

Quote from: MPare1966 on November 03, 2024, 08:02:45 PM

Quote from: an tha on November 03, 2024, 06:16:58 PM

I have never been a big Springsteen fan but I have had periods where i have delved into his stuff and there is plenty of it i like.

He was always someone i had a respect for - but that died with his fucking disgusting behaviour around ticketing/pricing.

Became a fan of Bruce with The River. Fantastic album.

As for the ticketing issue, I also was disappointed he went with the dynamic pricing gimmick. I have no clue what my daughter paid for the tix she gave us, but since the last time he was in MTL was in 2008, I guess prices were not cheap at all.

I've long since reached point where in my book there is just no excuse for such greed and he even went the extra shite mile and defended it/justified it.

The likes of him are the ones who could actually drive change - but he (and others like him) are all guilty of a conspiracy of greed and as a result all respect i had for him and others like him has gone.

The one little bit of credit I’ll give him is that he didn’t try to deflect and blame someone else for the pricing.  He came out and said it was his decision, and didn’t try to lay blame on a manager or Ticketmaster/live nation.

But like you said, he let greed take over his decision making.

Sadly that greed is a disease amongst him and his ilk and of course TM et al too.

Quote from: So Cruel on November 03, 2024, 08:50:27 PM

Quote from: an tha on November 03, 2024, 08:20:34 PM

Quote from: MPare1966 on November 03, 2024, 08:02:45 PM

Quote from: an tha on November 03, 2024, 06:16:58 PM

I have never been a big Springsteen fan but I have had periods where i have delved into his stuff and there is plenty of it i like.

He was always someone i had a respect for - but that died with his fucking disgusting behaviour around ticketing/pricing.

Became a fan of Bruce with The River. Fantastic album.

As for the ticketing issue, I also was disappointed he went with the dynamic pricing gimmick. I have no clue what my daughter paid for the tix she gave us, but since the last time he was in MTL was in 2008, I guess prices were not cheap at all.

I've long since reached point where in my book there is just no excuse for such greed and he even went the extra shite mile and defended it/justified it.

The likes of him are the ones who could actually drive change - but he (and others like him) are all guilty of a conspiracy of greed and as a result all respect i had for him and others like him has gone.

The one little bit of credit I’ll give him is that he didn’t try to deflect and blame someone else for the pricing.  He came out and said it was his decision, and didn’t try to lay blame on a manager or Ticketmaster/live nation.

But like you said, he let greed take over his decision making.

Sadly that greed is a disease amongst him and his ilk and of course TM et al too.

When it was announced he would be playing in MTL, the issue with ticket pricing was well known. I had no intention of buying tickets, didn’t even look at prices or whatever. But I was gifted a pair, so I went. Would’ve been rude to tell my daughter “I’m not going, he’s become a greedy bastard”. I could’ve sold the tickets for a hefty price, mind you. But that also would not have been nice to my daughter….

Quote from: an tha on November 03, 2024, 09:05:27 PM

Quote from: So Cruel on November 03, 2024, 08:50:27 PM

Quote from: an tha on November 03, 2024, 08:20:34 PM

Quote from: MPare1966 on November 03, 2024, 08:02:45 PM

Quote from: an tha on November 03, 2024, 06:16:58 PM

I have never been a big Springsteen fan but I have had periods where i have delved into his stuff and there is plenty of it i like.

He was always someone i had a respect for - but that died with his fucking disgusting behaviour around ticketing/pricing.

Became a fan of Bruce with The River. Fantastic album.

As for the ticketing issue, I also was disappointed he went with the dynamic pricing gimmick. I have no clue what my daughter paid for the tix she gave us, but since the last time he was in MTL was in 2008, I guess prices were not cheap at all.

I've long since reached point where in my book there is just no excuse for such greed and he even went the extra shite mile and defended it/justified it.

The likes of him are the ones who could actually drive change - but he (and others like him) are all guilty of a conspiracy of greed and as a result all respect i had for him and others like him has gone.

The one little bit of credit I’ll give him is that he didn’t try to deflect and blame someone else for the pricing.  He came out and said it was his decision, and didn’t try to lay blame on a manager or Ticketmaster/live nation.

But like you said, he let greed take over his decision making.

Sadly that greed is a disease amongst him and his ilk and of course TM et al too.

When it was announced he would be playing in MTL, the issue with ticket pricing was well known. I had no intention of buying tickets, didn’t even look at prices or whatever. But I was gifted a pair, so I went. Would’ve been rude to tell my daughter “I’m not going, he’s become a greedy bastard”. I could’ve sold the tickets for a hefty price, mind you. But that also would not have been nice to my daughter….

Nice gift from your daughter. She must have had a great mother to teach her…

Quote from: an tha on November 03, 2024, 09:05:27 PM

Quote from: So Cruel on November 03, 2024, 08:50:27 PM

Quote from: an tha on November 03, 2024, 08:20:34 PM

Quote from: MPare1966 on November 03, 2024, 08:02:45 PM

Quote from: an tha on November 03, 2024, 06:16:58 PM

I have never been a big Springsteen fan but I have had periods where i have delved into his stuff and there is plenty of it i like.

He was always someone i had a respect for - but that died with his fucking disgusting behaviour around ticketing/pricing.

Became a fan of Bruce with The River. Fantastic album.

As for the ticketing issue, I also was disappointed he went with the dynamic pricing gimmick. I have no clue what my daughter paid for the tix she gave us, but since the last time he was in MTL was in 2008, I guess prices were not cheap at all.

I've long since reached point where in my book there is just no excuse for such greed and he even went the extra shite mile and defended it/justified it.

The likes of him are the ones who could actually drive change - but he (and others like him) are all guilty of a conspiracy of greed and as a result all respect i had for him and others like him has gone.

The one little bit of credit I’ll give him is that he didn’t try to deflect and blame someone else for the pricing.  He came out and said it was his decision, and didn’t try to lay blame on a manager or Ticketmaster/live nation.

But like you said, he let greed take over his decision making.

Sadly that greed is a disease amongst him and his ilk and of course TM et al too.

When it was announced he would be playing in MTL, the issue with ticket pricing was well known. I had no intention of buying tickets, didn’t even look at prices or whatever. But I was gifted a pair, so I went. Would’ve been rude to tell my daughter “I’m not going, he’s become a greedy bastard”. I could’ve sold the tickets for a hefty price, mind you. But that also would not have been nice to my daughter….

To be clear i have no issue with others going - that is individual choice and i of course understand the situation you were in.

But me, personally, I won't give my money or time or frankly appreciation to someone who thinks like he does or has his values.

My own view is if more people took the same stance against these people they would quickly change their ways, but sadly it does not and won't happen in large enough numbers to effect change.

With Springsteen even a very well known, long standing and well regarded fan site or fanzine or whatever it was calling him out and later closing down was not enough to make a difference to the insatiable greed.

Quote from: MPare1966 on November 03, 2024, 10:15:03 PM

Quote from: an tha on November 03, 2024, 09:05:27 PM

Quote from: So Cruel on November 03, 2024, 08:50:27 PM

Quote from: an tha on November 03, 2024, 08:20:34 PM

Quote from: MPare1966 on November 03, 2024, 08:02:45 PM

Quote from: an tha on November 03, 2024, 06:16:58 PM

I have never been a big Springsteen fan but I have had periods where i have delved into his stuff and there is plenty of it i like.

He was always someone i had a respect for - but that died with his fucking disgusting behaviour around ticketing/pricing.

Became a fan of Bruce with The River. Fantastic album.

As for the ticketing issue, I also was disappointed he went with the dynamic pricing gimmick. I have no clue what my daughter paid for the tix she gave us, but since the last time he was in MTL was in 2008, I guess prices were not cheap at all.

I've long since reached point where in my book there is just no excuse for such greed and he even went the extra shite mile and defended it/justified it.

The likes of him are the ones who could actually drive change - but he (and others like him) are all guilty of a conspiracy of greed and as a result all respect i had for him and others like him has gone.

The one little bit of credit I’ll give him is that he didn’t try to deflect and blame someone else for the pricing.  He came out and said it was his decision, and didn’t try to lay blame on a manager or Ticketmaster/live nation.

But like you said, he let greed take over his decision making.

Sadly that greed is a disease amongst him and his ilk and of course TM et al too.

When it was announced he would be playing in MTL, the issue with ticket pricing was well known. I had no intention of buying tickets, didn’t even look at prices or whatever. But I was gifted a pair, so I went. Would’ve been rude to tell my daughter “I’m not going, he’s become a greedy bastard”. I could’ve sold the tickets for a hefty price, mind you. But that also would not have been nice to my daughter….

To be clear i have no issue with others going - that is individual choice and i of course understand the situation you were in.

But me, personally, I won't give my money or time or frankly appreciation to someone who thinks like he does or has his values.

My own view is if more people took the same stance against these people they would quickly change their ways, but sadly it does not and won't happen in large enough numbers to effect change.

With Springsteen even a very well known, long standing and well regarded fan site or fanzine or whatever it was calling him out and later closing down was not enough to make a difference to the insatiable greed.

And there’s another thing at play I believe. The Millennials and Gen Zs simply don’t care about all that stuff. For them, that’s the way it is. They never experienced low prices for gigs, like us. Also, I think the pandemic at en effect on them, and now they’re willing to spend obscene amount of money to see their favourite artists.

FYI: when I saw him in 1984 at the old Forum, the ticket price was 18$CA (about 48$CA in 2024). And that was a little more than the usual from other bands in the same venue (at the time 12$-15$ average). But Springsteen was on stage for almost 4hrs, so people didn’t complain.

It’s a fair point about the younger generations. My 14 yr old daughter told me last week that one of her classmates could get a great deal on tickets for some current act. I asked how much and she said $200. It doesn’t seem like it was very long ago that $200 was an obscene amount to pay for a concert but the younger generation have no clue, it’s all they know.

The other thing in play which I’ve seen for the Vancouver Taylor Swift shows is that people no longer buy tickets just to keep. My buddy bought 4 tickets and is selling 2 to cover the costs of sending his wife and daughter. My niece did the same, bought 4 and is selling 2. With the internet it’s easy to be a scalper and pass on your costs to the suckers who couldn’t get tickets originally.

I am no Bruce apologist whatsoever, and I am not even that big a fan... but when it comes to the TM pricing thing, I think it's a bit more complicated than what it appears to be.  I also have a hard time believing that Bruce just turned into a greedy bastard and is now the complete opposite of what he has been his entire career... say what you want about his music or even his politics, he has always seemed like a guy that puts his fans first.

Admittedly it's hard to defend that view when he went all in on the dynamic pricing stuff.  But I am guessing that was more about the efforts to get tickets in the hands of actual fans and not the scalpers.  Seems like they are struggling with how to do that effectively.  Even in schemes where TM only allows resale at face value and only through their website, I am guessing there is a shadow market where scalpers are able to transact extra $$$ separate from the TM website.

So at least when it comes to Bruce, and maybe others... it's more about eliminating the scalpers and not necessarily bilking the fans.  They just need to find a way to do that.

I am no Bruce apologist whatsoever, and I am not even that big a fan... but when it comes to the TM pricing thing, I think it's a bit more complicated than what it appears to be.  I also have a hard time believing that Bruce just turned into a greedy bastard and is now the complete opposite of what he has been his entire career... say what you want about his music or even his politics, he has always seemed like a guy that puts his fans first.

Admittedly it's hard to defend that view when he went all in on the dynamic pricing stuff.  But I am guessing that was more about the efforts to get tickets in the hands of actual fans and not the scalpers.  Seems like they are struggling with how to do that effectively.  Even in schemes where TM only allows resale at face value and only through their website, I am guessing there is a shadow market where scalpers are able to transact extra $$$ separate from the TM website.

So at least when it comes to Bruce, and maybe others... it's more about eliminating the scalpers and not necessarily bilking the fans.  They just need to find a way to do that.

Bruce flat out said that when his management approached him about dynamic pricing and to be more in line with other artists of his popularity he gave them the ok. It was his call, just like it is other big name artists.

I’m a huge Bruce fan but he got greedy.

OK, this is good from Neville.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DNnVedyxx6z/?igsh=MWkzNGxuZWtyMjJwZQ==

OK, this is good from Neville.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DNnVedyxx6z/?igsh=MWkzNGxuZWtyMjJwZQ==

That’s awesome. Grew up the same way many of us did, discovering music at a young age.

Quote from: MPare1966 on August 21, 2025, 09:55:22 AM

OK, this is good from Neville.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DNnVedyxx6z/?igsh=MWkzNGxuZWtyMjJwZQ==

That’s awesome. Grew up the same way many of us did, discovering music at a young age.

Yep.

I remember discovering Bruce when The River came out. I was 12 or 13.

Quote from: So Cruel on August 21, 2025, 02:59:16 PM

Quote from: MPare1966 on August 21, 2025, 09:55:22 AM

OK, this is good from Neville.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DNnVedyxx6z/?igsh=MWkzNGxuZWtyMjJwZQ==

That’s awesome. Grew up the same way many of us did, discovering music at a young age.

Yep.

I remember discovering Bruce when The River came out. I was 12 or 13.

My buddy lent me the Live 1975-85 boxed set in about 1990 or so when I was in high school. Game changer.

Quote from: MPare1966 on August 21, 2025, 03:11:27 PM

Quote from: So Cruel on August 21, 2025, 02:59:16 PM

Quote from: MPare1966 on August 21, 2025, 09:55:22 AM

OK, this is good from Neville.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DNnVedyxx6z/?igsh=MWkzNGxuZWtyMjJwZQ==

That’s awesome. Grew up the same way many of us did, discovering music at a young age.

Yep.

I remember discovering Bruce when The River came out. I was 12 or 13.

My buddy lent me the Live 1975-85 boxed set in about 1990 or so when I was in high school. Game changer.

What clinched it for me was going back to Born to Run, after I had got into The River.