Best song to introduce someone to U2 with

Quote from: Soloyan on December 16, 2021, 06:21:56 AM

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Quote from: Larry Lovebucket on December 16, 2021, 06:09:58 AM

Quote from: an tha on December 16, 2021, 05:57:29 AM

You sure about that LL?

I always thought it was Ondes Martenot in use on TNA.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ondes_Martenot

I think you mean SY

Yeah apologies....edited post, got lost in the quote boxes!

It is deffo Ondes Martenot anyway.

I posted the live version on purpose. It’s a combination of both.
If you listen closely you have Johnny doing his thing with Ondes Martenot and Ed doing the infinite guitar. The difference between the two sounds is that Johnny’s sound appears seamless but you can hear the frets on Ed’s sound.

Look at Ed : he’s not strumming the strings but playing with the vibrato with his right hand while the left hand is on the neck. That’s because his guitar has a sustainer.

How do you know that’s an infinite guitar? Ed doesn’t mention playing one in the interview I posted?

Quote from: Larry Lovebucket on December 16, 2021, 06:40:59 AM

Here’s Ed discussing his guitars. Although Brook is mentioned as an influence at no point does Ed say he plays an infinite guitar…

https://www.musicradar.com/news/radioheads-ed-obrien-i-was-always-drawn-to-sounds-that-didnt-sound-like-the-guitar

What’s the difference between the infinite guitar and Ed’s strat with a sustainer ?

Quote from: Larry Lovebucket on December 16, 2021, 06:47:46 AM

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Quote from: John Galt on December 13, 2021, 02:10:16 PM

Captives (1994) is pretty good.

That captive.

https://www.amazon.fr/Captive-Original-Soundtrack-Edge/dp/B002B31NM8/ref=nodl_

Which, by the way is the only collaboration between Michael Brook and any member of U2.

You say that but Edge taking Brook's infinite guitar invention and playing it on what is arguably U2's best known song kinda spells c o l l a b o r a t i o n to me...

In that case we can talk about collaboration with…

Fender
Gibson
Gretsch
Epiphone
Rickenbaker
…

Plus all the effects, amps manufacturers…

That’s a lot of collaborators, but why not ?

Right. It just a matter of degrees. Simple fact is the infinite guitar, as invented by Brook, on WOWY is an essential part of their best known song. Fender guitars, on the other hand, are used on billions of songs that all sound the same.

By your logic unless someone isn’t actually IN the band, they can’t be considered collaborators. And yet Eno and Lanois clearly are. Inanimate objects, similarly so.

I disagree on both points.

A Strat used by David Gilmour and a strat used by The Edge do not sound the same. Except on the Vertigo tour version of BTBS where clearly Edge tried to sound like him.

By the way I have two strats the Edge signature and the Ed O Brien signature. And they absolutely not sound the same.

Eno & Lanois’s status as collaborators is clear : they were there when the songs were recorded and/or mixed. They were part of the decision process.

I disagree on both points.

Simple fact is I can’t think of a single popular song that uses Brooks infinite guitar. Let alone one of the planets best known compositions. There’s millions of people putting a delay on strats in the way of the edge. Sure, Gilmour has his own playing style, but it’s not particularly interesting. The infinite guitar on WOWY is, however.

Eno and Lanois might have been in the room but that doesn’t make them any more, or less, collaborators. By your logic, if someone sends a guitar part over the internet, they aren’t collaborators.

I’m really struggling with that comment, Larry.

I was under the impression that you were a Radiohead fan ?

https://youtu.be/GCL9VoSXwVU

Which part of my comment, SY?

The part where you say you can’t hear the infinite guitar in any of « the planet’s best known compositions ». It’s all over the National Anthem by Radiohead.

Well, for one thing I wouldn’t call the National Anthem one of the worlds best known compositions. Or even a particularly well known Radiohead song, for the more casual fan.

Also, aren’t those weird sounds Greenwood playing around with various modulators, effects pedals and synths?

Yeah, but since Ed is using an infinite guitar, would you call that a collaboration between him and Brook ?

Is Ed using an infinite guitar? Which song, by Radiohead, is pretty much defined by the infinite guitar in the same way as WOWY is if, indeed, any Radiohead song features an infinite guitar?

Well, if you’re contesting Ed is using an infinite guitar on the video I posted, I don’t see the point in having this conversation since you can’t recognize the thing when you hear it / see it ?

Let’s regroup. When did I say Radiohead didn’t use an infinite guitar? The answer is I didn’t. I actually asked you which songs Radiohead used one one.

Maybe get your facts straight before doing your usual routine?

Ok. What is Ed doing during the National Anthem vidéo I posted ? Just so we’re clear about what you’re saying or not.

Quote from: Soloyan on December 16, 2021, 06:59:08 AM

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Quote from: Larry Lovebucket on December 16, 2021, 06:06:43 AM

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Quote from: Larry Lovebucket on December 16, 2021, 05:46:28 AM

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Quote from: Larry Lovebucket on December 15, 2021, 03:15:56 PM

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Quote from: Larry Lovebucket on December 15, 2021, 11:21:42 AM

Quote from: Soloyan on December 13, 2021, 03:28:35 PM

Quote from: John Galt on December 13, 2021, 02:10:16 PM

Captives (1994) is pretty good.

That captive.

https://www.amazon.fr/Captive-Original-Soundtrack-Edge/dp/B002B31NM8/ref=nodl_

Which, by the way is the only collaboration between Michael Brook and any member of U2.

You say that but Edge taking Brook's infinite guitar invention and playing it on what is arguably U2's best known song kinda spells c o l l a b o r a t i o n to me...

In that case we can talk about collaboration with…

Fender
Gibson
Gretsch
Epiphone
Rickenbaker
…

Plus all the effects, amps manufacturers…

That’s a lot of collaborators, but why not ?

Right. It just a matter of degrees. Simple fact is the infinite guitar, as invented by Brook, on WOWY is an essential part of their best known song. Fender guitars, on the other hand, are used on billions of songs that all sound the same.

By your logic unless someone isn’t actually IN the band, they can’t be considered collaborators. And yet Eno and Lanois clearly are. Inanimate objects, similarly so.

I disagree on both points.

A Strat used by David Gilmour and a strat used by The Edge do not sound the same. Except on the Vertigo tour version of BTBS where clearly Edge tried to sound like him.

By the way I have two strats the Edge signature and the Ed O Brien signature. And they absolutely not sound the same.

Eno & Lanois’s status as collaborators is clear : they were there when the songs were recorded and/or mixed. They were part of the decision process.

I disagree on both points.

Simple fact is I can’t think of a single popular song that uses Brooks infinite guitar. Let alone one of the planets best known compositions. There’s millions of people putting a delay on strats in the way of the edge. Sure, Gilmour has his own playing style, but it’s not particularly interesting. The infinite guitar on WOWY is, however.

Eno and Lanois might have been in the room but that doesn’t make them any more, or less, collaborators. By your logic, if someone sends a guitar part over the internet, they aren’t collaborators.

I’m really struggling with that comment, Larry.

I was under the impression that you were a Radiohead fan ?

https://youtu.be/GCL9VoSXwVU

Which part of my comment, SY?

The part where you say you can’t hear the infinite guitar in any of « the planet’s best known compositions ». It’s all over the National Anthem by Radiohead.

Well, for one thing I wouldn’t call the National Anthem one of the worlds best known compositions. Or even a particularly well known Radiohead song, for the more casual fan.

Also, aren’t those weird sounds Greenwood playing around with various modulators, effects pedals and synths?

Yeah, but since Ed is using an infinite guitar, would you call that a collaboration between him and Brook ?

Is Ed using an infinite guitar? Which song, by Radiohead, is pretty much defined by the infinite guitar in the same way as WOWY is if, indeed, any Radiohead song features an infinite guitar?

Well, if you’re contesting Ed is using an infinite guitar on the video I posted, I don’t see the point in having this conversation since you can’t recognize the thing when you hear it / see it ?

Let’s regroup. When did I say Radiohead didn’t use an infinite guitar? The answer is I didn’t. I actually asked you which songs Radiohead used one one.

Maybe get your facts straight before doing your usual routine?

Ok. What is Ed doing during the National Anthem vidéo I posted ? Just so we’re clear about what you’re saying or not.

In all honesty I don’t know what technology he is using. And I doubt  you do, either.

In all honesty, the infinite guitar isn’t all its cracked up to be anyway. You can achieve very similar effects with an ebow and effects pedals.

Quote from: Larry Lovebucket on December 16, 2021, 07:09:48 AM

In all honesty, the infinite guitar isn’t all its cracked up to be anyway. You can achieve very similar effects with an ebow and effects pedals.

This is why I don't understand placing so much importance on Michael Brook.  It's just a different way of achieving an effect that plenty of people have used before and since.  It's in Heroes, a very popular song that's over a decade older than WOWY, though it was achieved through complicated studio trickery.

So Tool's Maynard James Keenan said this when answering the same question directed at his band:  https://www.revolvermag.com/music/maynard-james-keenan-picks-best-tool-song-introducing-new-fans?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_content=Maynard%20James%20Keenan%20Picks%20Best%20Tool%20Song%20for%20Introducing%20New%20Fans&utm_campaign=UA-8316105-1

What song would you use as a U2 intro to the uninitiated?

What song do you think the members of the band would use?

The world awaits your answer(s).

Quote from: imaginary friend on December 07, 2021, 05:24:07 PM

So Tool's Maynard James Keenan said this when answering the same question directed at his band:  https://www.revolvermag.com/music/maynard-james-keenan-picks-best-tool-song-introducing-new-fans?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_content=Maynard%20James%20Keenan%20Picks%20Best%20Tool%20Song%20for%20Introducing%20New%20Fans&utm_campaign=UA-8316105-1

What song would you use as a U2 intro to the uninitiated?

What song do you think the members of the band would use?

The world awaits your answer(s).

I still can't pick one.

Quote from: imaginary friend on January 01, 2022, 01:01:57 PM

Quote from: imaginary friend on December 07, 2021, 05:24:07 PM

So Tool's Maynard James Keenan said this when answering the same question directed at his band:  https://www.revolvermag.com/music/maynard-james-keenan-picks-best-tool-song-introducing-new-fans?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_content=Maynard%20James%20Keenan%20Picks%20Best%20Tool%20Song%20for%20Introducing%20New%20Fans&utm_campaign=UA-8316105-1

What song would you use as a U2 intro to the uninitiated?

What song do you think the members of the band would use?

The world awaits your answer(s).

I still can't pick one.

Pun intended ?