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Music production: the other side of the glass
« on: May 16, 2022, 01:48:55 PM »
Feel free to discuss music production, producers/engineers/mixdown people whose work you like, albums where you wanna slap the producers, etc.. Also things you do yourself if you make your own recordings or remixes at home. Kicking it off with a new interview with Daniel Lanois by Warren Huart, who's no slouch behind the boards himself.

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Re: Music production: the other side of the glass
« Reply #1 on: May 17, 2022, 11:37:08 AM »
Well....im not sure if this is on point for this thread or not, but i have always felt, that u2s studio albums, have osunded flat and 1 dimensional, compared to other albums, which came out at the same time. Not sure who is to blame for that tho. Maybe the sound Engineer? I can take any u2 album and compare it to any other album released around the same time. Often, the other albums sound so vibrant and alive, compared to the flat sounding u2 album. But hey.....i am a bit of a sound snob. Maybe its just me
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Re: Music production: the other side of the glass
« Reply #2 on: May 19, 2022, 05:55:23 PM »
Quote from: Smee on May 17, 2022, 11:37:08 AM
Well....im not sure if this is on point for this thread or not, but i have always felt, that u2s studio albums, have osunded flat and 1 dimensional, compared to other albums, which came out at the same time. Not sure who is to blame for that tho. Maybe the sound Engineer? I can take any u2 album and compare it to any other album released around the same time. Often, the other albums sound so vibrant and alive, compared to the flat sounding u2 album. But hey.....i am a bit of a sound snob. Maybe its just me

I can't even begin to respond to this, because I've always thought their albums beginning with War did exceptional things with depth-of-field without overemphasizing any one element. That's hard - it's easy to push a feature (vocalist or instrumental performer) out front and pull everything else back. Indeed, that's how most albums - regardless of genre - are mixed.

Anyway, I wish more studio veterans would start channels like this. Paul Wolff served many tours of recording session duty at Sunset Sound, and his Youtube channel revisits lots of legendary sessions in oftentimes hilarious ways...but you always learn something as well.

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Re: Music production: the other side of the glass
« Reply #3 on: June 20, 2022, 10:27:40 AM »
I was going to post this elsewhere on the forum, but I decided that Zola talking about going from producing her albums in total isolation to collaborating with outsiders is a better fit here.  https://www.thelineofbestfit.com/features/interviews/zola-jesus-on-spirituality-and-overcoming-the-lone-genius-archetype
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Re: Music production: the other side of the glass
« Reply #4 on: June 20, 2022, 02:21:47 PM »
I've always wondered why Led Zeppelin's albums sound immaculate compared to most others. Was it Page? The engineers?
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Re: Music production: the other side of the glass
« Reply #5 on: June 20, 2022, 03:45:53 PM »
Quote from: So Cruel on June 20, 2022, 02:21:47 PM
I've always wondered why Led Zeppelin's albums sound immaculate compared to most others. Was it Page? The engineers?

From PG onwards he buried Plant in the mix. Plant acknowledges it too. I couldn't make out a lot of lyrics from those albums, and they're still awesome. I defy anyone to figure out whats being sung about on stuff like Carouselambra without looking it up.
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Re: Music production: the other side of the glass
« Reply #6 on: June 20, 2022, 05:11:45 PM »
Almost completely unintelligible on In The Evening as well. I was gonna say that Plant didn't sound so muffled on Presence, but yeah it's pretty bad even if it's slightly better than on In Through The Out Door.
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Re: Music production: the other side of the glass
« Reply #7 on: June 20, 2022, 05:30:09 PM »
Interesting take on Page burying Plant in the mix on In Through The Out Door because by that point Plant and John Paul Jones were leading the sessions, not Page. Page was deep into his heroin addiction around that time.

I’ve never felt Plant was buried too much in the mix. On In The Evening he’s back in the mix on the verses and then more pronounced in the chorus, but I think that’s more about the song be darker, murkier type song.
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Re: Music production: the other side of the glass
« Reply #8 on: June 20, 2022, 07:12:09 PM »
Robert Plant has mentioned this before also in interviews. Apparently the bizarre lyrics of Carouselambra were basically passive aggressive references to the dysfunction in the band caused by Pages problems.
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Re: Music production: the other side of the glass
« Reply #9 on: June 20, 2022, 07:32:52 PM »
Quote from: Jarasang on June 20, 2022, 07:12:09 PM
Robert Plant has mentioned this before also in interviews. Apparently the bizarre lyrics of Carouselambra were basically passive aggressive references to the dysfunction in the band caused by Pages problems.

This reminded me of a Reddit comment I have saved from a few years ago.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ledzeppelin/comments/bawn0k/song_appreciation_carouselambra/ekert36/
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Re: Music production: the other side of the glass
« Reply #10 on: June 20, 2022, 08:19:50 PM »
Quote from: Pride on June 20, 2022, 07:32:52 PM
Quote from: Jarasang on June 20, 2022, 07:12:09 PM
Robert Plant has mentioned this before also in interviews. Apparently the bizarre lyrics of Carouselambra were basically passive aggressive references to the dysfunction in the band caused by Pages problems.

This reminded me of a Reddit comment I have saved from a few years ago.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ledzeppelin/comments/bawn0k/song_appreciation_carouselambra/ekert36/

Interesting read. Both Page and Bonham were in really dark places by the end of the 70's. Page lost in heroin and Bonham in alcohol as well as drugs. I doubt Plant would have stayed in the band after the 1980 tour if those 2 hadn't cleaned up. It took Page close to the mid 80's to clean up. They always said Jones was the smartest of all 4. While the other 3 partied he was off on his own, showing up for the sessions and for the shows. Plant partied but the drugs and drink never consumed him like it did Page and Bonham.
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Re: Music production: the other side of the glass
« Reply #11 on: June 21, 2022, 10:04:33 AM »
Quote from: So Cruel on June 20, 2022, 02:21:47 PM
I've always wondered why Led Zeppelin's albums sound immaculate compared to most others. Was it Page? The engineers?

Both. Page used to really keep his ear to the ground on that, keeping tabs on who was engineering the songs and albums he liked.

On the Carousleambra thing: I read once that JPJ had brought his wife and kids to California and rented a big RV; when the tour got suspended after Oakland, they went camping for a month in various locations around Northern California and subsequently didn't hear about what happened to Karac until after his funeral.
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Re: Music production: the other side of the glass
« Reply #12 on: June 24, 2022, 08:45:31 AM »
Sir George talks about the Beatles. From 1993:

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Re: Music production: the other side of the glass
« Reply #13 on: June 25, 2022, 10:22:17 AM »
Andy Wallace, who mixed Nevermind, talks about producing Faith No More's breakthrough album.

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Re: Music production: the other side of the glass
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