To want or not to want ?

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To want or not to want ?
« on: December 12, 2020, 04:38:48 AM »
Bono is using this on at least 2 songs. Iím not sure Iím getting what heís saying.

So Cruel :
I gave you everything you ever wanted
It wasnít what you wanted

Kite
Iíll give you everything you want
Except the thing that you want

If he had opposed what you *want* and what you *need*, as the Stones did on ę You canít always get what you want Ľ Iíd get it.

Is there something in the English language that Iím not familiar with ?
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Re: To want or not to want ?
« Reply #1 on: December 12, 2020, 06:24:31 AM »
We always want too much. We don't always know what we really need. And, usually the things we want are the worst things for us. The things we need are often right in front of us, but they are much harder to achieve, and to keep.
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Re: To want or not to want ?
« Reply #2 on: December 12, 2020, 06:33:27 AM »
We always want too much. We don't always know what we really need. And, usually the things we want are the worst things for us. The things we need are often right in front of us, but they are much harder to achieve, and to keep.

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Re: To want or not to want ?
« Reply #3 on: December 12, 2020, 08:56:13 AM »
Uh, wait a minute. Where in Kite does it say that?

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Re: To want or not to want ?
« Reply #4 on: December 12, 2020, 09:23:17 AM »
Uh, wait a minute. Where in Kite does it say that?
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Re: To want or not to want ?
« Reply #5 on: December 12, 2020, 10:39:58 AM »
Oh okay. Shows you how well I know Bomb.

It's not a language thing, the contradiction you see is not resolved by some English nuance.

The theme exists in many other places.

Zooropa: What do you want?
Vertigo: All of this can be yours.
Gone: You're holding on to every little thing so tightly, till there's nothing left for you anyway.
Found: But I still haven't found what I'm looking for.
Mofo: Looking for to fill that God shaped hole.

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Re: To want or not to want ?
« Reply #6 on: December 12, 2020, 12:00:44 PM »
I looked at OOTS lyrics. When Adam and Eve were in the Garden of Eden, God gave them everything. But they were still tempted for more, and they lost their innocence for it - and suffered.

So Cruel seems like a straightforward description of a toxic relationship with someone with one of those wounds. For those kinds of people, nothing will ever be enough because they didn't get it when they really needed it. A lot of people fit that description, but the toxic ones are willing to destroy everything in their attempts.

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Re: To want or not to want ?
« Reply #7 on: December 12, 2020, 06:13:20 PM »
I looked at OOTS lyrics. When Adam and Eve were in the Garden of Eden, God gave them everything. But they were still tempted for more, and they lost their innocence for it - and suffered.

So Cruel seems like a straightforward description of a toxic relationship with someone with one of those wounds. For those kinds of people, nothing will ever be enough because they didn't get it when they really needed it. A lot of people fit that description, but the toxic ones are willing to destroy everything in their attempts.
Sounds about right. Thanks !
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Re: To want or not to want ?
« Reply #8 on: December 13, 2020, 03:05:58 AM »
I looked at OOTS lyrics. When Adam and Eve were in the Garden of Eden, God gave them everything. But they were still tempted for more, and they lost their innocence for it - and suffered.

So Cruel seems like a straightforward description of a toxic relationship with someone with one of those wounds. For those kinds of people, nothing will ever be enough because they didn't get it when they really needed it. A lot of people fit that description, but the toxic ones are willing to destroy everything in their attempts.
Sounds about right. Thanks !

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Re: To want or not to want ?
« Reply #9 on: December 20, 2020, 01:27:16 AM »
Desperation is a tender trap
It gets you every time
You put your lips to her lips
To stop the lie

Love, Fear, Pain, Needs and Desires and everything shitty that is associated with that.  Itís human to experience jealousy or be overly possessive.  Sometimes though, itís a trap we all can fall into.  Itís hard to determine genuine from real.


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Re: To want or not to want ?
« Reply #10 on: February 22, 2021, 07:36:56 AM »
Bono is using this on at least 2 songs. Iím not sure Iím getting what heís saying.

So Cruel :
I gave you everything you ever wanted
It wasnít what you wanted

Kite
Iíll give you everything you want
Except the thing that you want

If he had opposed what you *want* and what you *need*, as the Stones did on ę You canít always get what you want Ľ Iíd get it.

Is there something in the English language that Iím not familiar with ?

I seem to remember some of the AB songs were inspired by Edge's marriage breakdown from his first wife in 1990. Perhaps that lyric refers to Edge's status in terms of material wealth.

Not sure about the other lyric. The song is so bad I can barely bring myself to contemplate its meaning.


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Re: To want or not to want ?
« Reply #11 on: February 22, 2021, 07:39:52 AM »
To want is a terrible thing.
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Re: To want or not to want ?
« Reply #12 on: February 22, 2021, 11:09:46 AM »
To want is a terrible thing.
How so ?
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Re: To want or not to want ?
« Reply #13 on: February 22, 2021, 02:01:53 PM »
To want is a terrible thing.
How so ?
Oh, how could I ever explain this? To really, really want...hurts. It's an ache that can't be soothed, unless you get what you want...and that never happens.
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Re: To want or not to want ?
« Reply #14 on: February 22, 2021, 03:47:36 PM »
To want is a terrible thing.
How so ?
Oh, how could I ever explain this? To really, really want...hurts. It's an ache that can't be soothed, unless you get what you want...and that never happens.
Yeah, but... itís still better to want than to need.
A dangerous idea that almost makes sense...