What I'd like to see from U2 this decade

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What I'd like to see from U2 this decade
« on: February 19, 2020, 11:43:16 PM »
Make no mistake SOE is a really good album for a band their age, a terrific effort all things considered (a top 5 U2 album in my book) but they used too many different, contrasting producers across too many tracks, instead of having (and sticking with!) a similarly aligned set of (2-3) producers across the entire album. (eg. Eno, Lanois, Flood partnership across the entirety of Achtung Baby)

I don't have an issue with over-production on SOE, only criticism is the production on the Blackout which completely neuters the track, this and Red Flag Day sounded neutered and could've benefited from a more raw sound and grittier production like stuff such as 'The Fly', 'Zoo Station'.

Songs like Landlady, Love Is Bigger, Lights Of Home are great songs in my opinion because of the bells and whistles, production effects, multiples layers of keys etc.. It brings a layer complexity and a modernity to the songs that simply isn't able to be expressed in a live setting with just the four lone band members. So in summary what I don't want to see is a stripped back U2 record, rather I'd like to see a U2 project in which they utilize the same produces throughout the entirety of an album (the same set of producers for each song) with an overarching theme/and soundscape that remains consistent throughout.

I'd love to see them stick to a certain sound and go for it. Landlady is a terrific song with a cool sonic soundscape/atmosphere which fits alongside Love Is All We Have Left, 13, Book Of Your Heart, Little Things, Landlady: they all fit the same general sort of sonic palette. Ideally SOE should've consisted of an entire collection of songs of that same general sound.

Clearly they aren't going to make 'Achtung Baby' or the likes again, that's unrealistic to expect from them at this stage of their career. However, they need someone who can say 'OK that need this here, that was terrible'. I think they've achieved what they can achieve with Eno.

Something more ambient, acoustic with synths (and less of an effort in attempting to write pop hits).. but just go all out weird with synths, theremin, xylophone, didgeridoo, mandolin.. whatever - experiment with completely different instruments that U2 haven't used before.

Fuck it, how about Kevin Shields from My Bloody Valentine (a guitar genius - listen to 'Loveless' and read how it was created if you are not familiar) to produce them and then Flood alongside Daniel Miller to get electronics back into it.

Perhaps just ditch the guitars altogether and go for some way out, effects driven songs, and some acoustic tracks, now that would be just perfect...
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Re: What I'd like to see from U2 this decade
« Reply #1 on: February 20, 2020, 01:39:00 AM »
I just want good albums.  Don't care how they get there.
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Re: What I'd like to see from U2 this decade
« Reply #2 on: February 20, 2020, 02:06:15 AM »
They are getting to the point when they need a Johnny Cash like resurrection (not covers though).  Something brooding and guttural


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Re: What I'd like to see from U2 this decade
« Reply #3 on: February 20, 2020, 03:06:41 AM »
They need to revisit their past for ideas.  Maybe work with Danny Lanois and Brian Eno once more.  A U2 equivalent to R.E.M's Collapse Into Now album would do me nicely.


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Re: What I'd like to see from U2 this decade
« Reply #4 on: February 20, 2020, 03:08:16 AM »
I think i could live with a cut in the touring and live shows in general if they were to focus on new music.

My only wish, is that the band forget about chasing the Pop crowd and get creative and experimental again.
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« Reply #5 on: February 20, 2020, 03:12:05 AM »
I think they're beyond the point of being 'experimental' at this stage of the game.  They can however draw on the sounds and themes that made them great in the first place when they make their next album.  Touring is around to stay assuming all the band members remain fit and able to do it.

 

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Re: What I'd like to see from U2 this decade
« Reply #6 on: February 20, 2020, 03:59:48 AM »
Knock it on the head.

The flame has virtually gone out and I don't believe for one second they have the attitude, the balls required to re-ignite it.

They are stuck in a MOR pop rock hell, still craving acceptance and the kids - working with clowns like Ryan Tedder....Ryan Fucking Tedder, seriously what the fuck!.....and for me personally i'd rather they jacked it in than continued further down that path with ever diminishing returns.
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Re: What I'd like to see from U2 this decade
« Reply #7 on: February 20, 2020, 11:42:57 AM »
It won't happen.

Still a lot of these around, and they have money.



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Re: What I'd like to see from U2 this decade
« Reply #8 on: February 20, 2020, 11:48:57 AM »
3 albums and 3 tours this decade.

Songs Of Ascent released in December 2021

The ROCK album(including maybe some of the stuff they worked on with Rick Rubin) released in December 2024

A rock album influenced by Irish Traditional music( a mix of rock, the Unforgettable Fire, and Irish music influences that have yet show in the bands music) released December 2028.

A full scale world tour for each album, around 100 dates taking about a year or a little more to complete, in Arenas.

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Re: What I'd like to see from U2 this decade
« Reply #9 on: February 20, 2020, 04:32:23 PM »
See my signature.
The Edge: “[Eno] would love to see us making albums a bit more like [Zooropa]. Where we go, ‘You know what? We’re not going to second-guess any of this. Let’s just go for it.’”

U2 Fans: We'd all love to see that, Edge.

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Re: What I'd like to see from U2 this decade
« Reply #10 on: February 20, 2020, 05:53:46 PM »
They are getting to the point when they need a Johnny Cash like resurrection (not covers though).  Something brooding and guttural


brooding and guttural, haha I love those words. It's definitely what bono should be going for at this stage. He would suit the coarse Cash-like vocals with his voice deteriorating and the screaching pop-rock notes certainly aren't helping his longevity!
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« Reply #11 on: February 20, 2020, 06:01:20 PM »
Knock it on the head.

The flame has virtually gone out and I don't believe for one second they have the attitude, the balls required to re-ignite it.

They are stuck in a MOR pop rock hell, still craving acceptance and the kids - working with clowns like Ryan Tedder....Ryan Fucking Tedder, seriously what the fuck!.....and for me personally i'd rather they jacked it in than continued further down that path with ever diminishing returns.

I certainly wouldn't go as far to say the flame has gone out, the edge in particular still seems as driven as ever and to be honest I think there are hints of greatness in their recent albums, enough there for me to say they've well and truly still got it. I truly believe they haven't put out a dud album yet. I mean for a band still going after 40 years it's very impressive.
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Re: What I'd like to see from U2 this decade
« Reply #12 on: February 20, 2020, 06:04:48 PM »
Knock it on the head.

The flame has virtually gone out and I don't believe for one second they have the attitude, the balls required to re-ignite it.

They are stuck in a MOR pop rock hell, still craving acceptance and the kids - working with clowns like Ryan Tedder....Ryan Fucking Tedder, seriously what the fuck!.....and for me personally i'd rather they jacked it in than continued further down that path with ever diminishing returns.

I certainly wouldn't go as far to say the flame has gone out, the edge in particular still seems as driven as ever and to be honest I think there are hints of greatness in their recent albums, enough there for me to say they've well and truly still got it. I truly believe they haven't yet put out a dud album. I mean for a band still going after 40 years it's very impressive.
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Re: What I'd like to see from U2 this decade
« Reply #13 on: February 20, 2020, 06:29:06 PM »
Knock it on the head.

The flame has virtually gone out and I don't believe for one second they have the attitude, the balls required to re-ignite it.

They are stuck in a MOR pop rock hell, still craving acceptance and the kids - working with clowns like Ryan Tedder....Ryan Fucking Tedder, seriously what the fuck!.....and for me personally i'd rather they jacked it in than continued further down that path with ever diminishing returns.

I certainly wouldn't go as far to say the flame has gone out, the edge in particular still seems as driven as ever and to be honest I think there are hints of greatness in their recent albums, enough there for me to say they've well and truly still got it. I truly believe they haven't put out a dud album yet. I mean for a band still going after 40 years it's very impressive.

It is of course all subjective.

Yes they might still fancy the job, but the quality of their work is IMO now often mediocre, sometimes abysmal and rarely good.....pretty much everything about them that drew me to them has just gone from their modern day music.

SOE for me was an absolutely awful record - literally nothing about it hit any kind of note with me.

They have settled into a really dull, safe and uninteresting style - they have their big 'rawk' songs that they think are cool but are for me just bad dad rock, turgid clunky dull.... they have their 'please kids like us' pop rock - which i find embarrassing and then they have their 'this is classic u2' except no it isn't, and they keep churning it out with ever diminishing quality.

In amongst this is the odd gem, but they are lost in a sea of mediocrity.

I'm totally done with them personally - i deleted SOE a few short weeks after it was released and i didn't buy tickets to the E&I tour....their new music does absolutely nothing for me. They've become a dumbed down, MOR pop rock band, dealing in platitudes, tired cliches and empty tubthumping - and the desperation for relevance has IMO killed them creatively - they are just so, so safe now.

They have become a band that follows (and does so badly) rather than the band they were who led, or who ploughed their own furrow......Ryan Tedder, Ryan fucking Tedder - i mean fuck me - why, just why?

I'll still listen to some of the old stuff I like and i hang around here because i consider some of the people here 'friends' - as much as people can be online! and i enjoy reading the stuff here, but for me u2 these days are a shadow of themselves making music that i just do not like.

Of course plenty of people here still think u2 are good or great and they are of course not wrong - if that is how they feel then good for them...but for me greatness left a long time ago and it isn't coming back.
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Re: What I'd like to see from U2 this decade
« Reply #14 on: February 20, 2020, 06:42:57 PM »
This fella isn't as far gone as me, he still admires some of their new work but he makes some great points in these

They are good reads:

https://scholarsandrogues.com/2017/12/17/an-open-letter-to-u2-what-happened-to-your-relevance/


https://scholarsandrogues.com/2018/07/09/u2-songs-of-relevance-and-irrelevance/