The Adam Clayton solo tour

Quote from: Tumbling Dice on November 14, 2025, 06:10:51 PM

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I remember when the rich lists had Paul McCartney's wealth at £800m but when he had to open his books up to forensic accountants for his divorce case in 2008 it was found he only had about £400m.

Yup, because like everyone else, Sir Paul spends money.

In the year before his divorce Macca spent around £4.25m on general living costs including professional fees.

Mick Jagger has an extensive private collection of Andy Warhol's art.  How are the wealth guessers going to put a value on that?

Who knows. Jagger is smart, but a lot of artists are not very good with finances.

The Who reunited in 1989 because Townshend was running out of money.

The Who toured in 1996 because John Enthwistle owed over $5m in taxes. They said he was handed a cheque for $10m, paid his taxes, and blew the rest within a few years.

Kiss made millions in the 70’s, lost most of it because of bad investments by management. Then reunited in 1996. Ace Frehley made over $15m on the reunion tour, but within a decade owed the IRS.

Larry Mullen sued his financial advisors for losing millions in a bad shopping mall investment.

Adam Clayton sued his maid for stealing over $3m.

Rock music is littered with stories of big artists losing their money. These guys are talented in the creativity, but most never went beyond high school or art college.

It’s ridiculous for anyone to believe you can derive individual net worth from band touring revenue.

Don't mention what happened to Michael Hutchence's estate.

I read somewhere that had it not been for the cheeseburger sales on the Zoo TV tour the band would have ended up in the workhouse and their WAGS in the Magdalene laundries.

 

Quote from: So Cruel on November 14, 2025, 07:35:49 PM

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Quote from: Tumbling Dice on November 14, 2025, 02:53:16 PM

I remember when the rich lists had Paul McCartney's wealth at £800m but when he had to open his books up to forensic accountants for his divorce case in 2008 it was found he only had about £400m.

Yup, because like everyone else, Sir Paul spends money.

In the year before his divorce Macca spent around £4.25m on general living costs including professional fees.

Mick Jagger has an extensive private collection of Andy Warhol's art.  How are the wealth guessers going to put a value on that?

Who knows. Jagger is smart, but a lot of artists are not very good with finances.

The Who reunited in 1989 because Townshend was running out of money.

The Who toured in 1996 because John Enthwistle owed over $5m in taxes. They said he was handed a cheque for $10m, paid his taxes, and blew the rest within a few years.

Kiss made millions in the 70’s, lost most of it because of bad investments by management. Then reunited in 1996. Ace Frehley made over $15m on the reunion tour, but within a decade owed the IRS.

Larry Mullen sued his financial advisors for losing millions in a bad shopping mall investment.

Adam Clayton sued his maid for stealing over $3m.

Rock music is littered with stories of big artists losing their money. These guys are talented in the creativity, but most never went beyond high school or art college.

It’s ridiculous for anyone to believe you can derive individual net worth from band touring revenue.

Cohen had to go back on tour at 75 to make a living because his manager had stolen almost all his money.

Same with Billy Joel. No one in the late 70’s and 80’s was producing hits at the rate Billy Joel was. In the early 90’s he found out his manager had taken all his money and he was near broke. He sued him but the money was gone. At that point he had wanted to slow down but had to start touring again to make up for the lost millions.

Quote from: MPare1966 on November 14, 2025, 08:16:41 PM

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Quote from: So Cruel on November 14, 2025, 03:43:36 PM

Quote from: Tumbling Dice on November 14, 2025, 02:53:16 PM

I remember when the rich lists had Paul McCartney's wealth at £800m but when he had to open his books up to forensic accountants for his divorce case in 2008 it was found he only had about £400m.

Yup, because like everyone else, Sir Paul spends money.

In the year before his divorce Macca spent around £4.25m on general living costs including professional fees.

Mick Jagger has an extensive private collection of Andy Warhol's art.  How are the wealth guessers going to put a value on that?

Who knows. Jagger is smart, but a lot of artists are not very good with finances.

The Who reunited in 1989 because Townshend was running out of money.

The Who toured in 1996 because John Enthwistle owed over $5m in taxes. They said he was handed a cheque for $10m, paid his taxes, and blew the rest within a few years.

Kiss made millions in the 70’s, lost most of it because of bad investments by management. Then reunited in 1996. Ace Frehley made over $15m on the reunion tour, but within a decade owed the IRS.

Larry Mullen sued his financial advisors for losing millions in a bad shopping mall investment.

Adam Clayton sued his maid for stealing over $3m.

Rock music is littered with stories of big artists losing their money. These guys are talented in the creativity, but most never went beyond high school or art college.

It’s ridiculous for anyone to believe you can derive individual net worth from band touring revenue.

Cohen had to go back on tour at 75 to make a living because his manager had stolen almost all his money.

Same with Billy Joel. No one in the late 70’s and 80’s was producing hits at the rate Billy Joel was. In the early 90’s he found out his manager had taken all his money and he was near broke. He sued him but the money was gone. At that point he had wanted to slow down but had to start touring again to make up for the lost millions.

True. I remember that.

Next time I talk to my dad, I will ask him what he remembers about that period with Billy. I’m unsure if Joel was still touring with my dad’s sound company in the 90s.

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Quote from: MPare1966 on November 13, 2025, 08:30:04 AM

Bit silly to have Selena Gomez in that list.

90% of her worth comes from her make-up business and acting/producing in TV.

That list is a bunch of make believe.

It's an estimate based on things like gross sales which are known. Much the same way other rich people's wealth is estimated.

Sorry your Boys in Led Zeppelin don't quite make this list, but their doing pretty good.

If you have a more accurate list, please post it with its source.

I know you love lists Wons, but you got to be a fool to think this is even close to real.

All these sites know is potential revenue, that’s it. Do they know the expenses of touring? The split? How much is kept for company expenses - staff, offices, etc? How much is invested? How those investments have done? Personal expenses - clothes, cars, drugs, parties, alimony, kids? Do they have tax statements, bank statements, financial statements?

None of that is known. Pretty basic to know revenue does not = net worth.

It can be estimated, you'd be a fool to claim that it can't be. How accurate is it, no one knows. But when the gross sales of a product or service are known, you can estimate net worth, and make a list like this.

There is a reason that Colin Hay of Men At Work is not on the list, let alone at the top ahead of Jay-Z. But can I prove that Colin Hay is not wealthier that Jay Z? No.

Celebrity net worth says Colin Hay is worth $8 million, although many years ago they claimed $15 million to $20 million. Colin Hay got most of his money during the years 1982-1983 with the sales of Men At Work's first two albums, and whatever was made from touring and merchandise. Most of his money these days probably comes from streaming and airplay from Men At Work's #1 hits from the 1980s. 

Overall I'd say its pretty accurate that Colin Hay is not worth enough to be on this list and certainly not worth more than Jay-Z. I can't prove that though. Maybe he won the lottery or has an unknown women cosmetics line that is doing really well.

This is an attempt to estimate such things, not prove them.

When you know gross sales, the other stuff can be estimated.

Economist and statisticians make these estimates about individuals, groups of people, lower class, middle class, upper class, in every country around the world daily.

There are 3,000+ Billionaires in the world.
Nearly 30,000 with $100 million or more.
Nearly 70 million millionaires worldwide.

It's not unreasonable to estimate that Harrison Ford has a much greater net-worth than Florence Pugh.

Who in the blue hell is trying to argue some dude named Colin Hay is wealthier then Jay Z?

He could be based on your responses to my post and I admit that. But I don't think it's likely.

Colin Hay could be wealthier than Jay-Z based on some of the points you made, but I don't think it's likely.

Quote from: Tumbling Dice on November 14, 2025, 06:10:51 PM

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Quote from: Tumbling Dice on November 14, 2025, 02:53:16 PM

I remember when the rich lists had Paul McCartney's wealth at £800m but when he had to open his books up to forensic accountants for his divorce case in 2008 it was found he only had about £400m.

Yup, because like everyone else, Sir Paul spends money.

In the year before his divorce Macca spent around £4.25m on general living costs including professional fees.

Mick Jagger has an extensive private collection of Andy Warhol's art.  How are the wealth guessers going to put a value on that?

It’s ridiculous for anyone to believe you can derive individual net worth from band touring revenue.

The list is an attempt to estimate such things, not prove them.

When you know gross sales, the other stuff can be estimated.

Economist and statisticians make these estimates about individuals, groups of people, lower class, middle class, upper class, in every country around the world daily.

There are list estimating the net worth of every country in the world.

Quote from: MPare1966 on November 14, 2025, 08:16:41 PM

Quote from: So Cruel on November 14, 2025, 07:35:49 PM

Quote from: Tumbling Dice on November 14, 2025, 06:10:51 PM

Quote from: So Cruel on November 14, 2025, 03:43:36 PM

Quote from: Tumbling Dice on November 14, 2025, 02:53:16 PM

I remember when the rich lists had Paul McCartney's wealth at £800m but when he had to open his books up to forensic accountants for his divorce case in 2008 it was found he only had about £400m.

Yup, because like everyone else, Sir Paul spends money.

In the year before his divorce Macca spent around £4.25m on general living costs including professional fees.

Mick Jagger has an extensive private collection of Andy Warhol's art.  How are the wealth guessers going to put a value on that?

Who knows. Jagger is smart, but a lot of artists are not very good with finances.

The Who reunited in 1989 because Townshend was running out of money.

The Who toured in 1996 because John Enthwistle owed over $5m in taxes. They said he was handed a cheque for $10m, paid his taxes, and blew the rest within a few years.

Kiss made millions in the 70’s, lost most of it because of bad investments by management. Then reunited in 1996. Ace Frehley made over $15m on the reunion tour, but within a decade owed the IRS.

Larry Mullen sued his financial advisors for losing millions in a bad shopping mall investment.

Adam Clayton sued his maid for stealing over $3m.

Rock music is littered with stories of big artists losing their money. These guys are talented in the creativity, but most never went beyond high school or art college.

It’s ridiculous for anyone to believe you can derive individual net worth from band touring revenue.

Cohen had to go back on tour at 75 to make a living because his manager had stolen almost all his money.

Same with Billy Joel. No one in the late 70’s and 80’s was producing hits at the rate Billy Joel was.

Rick Springfield had 15 top 40 Hits in the U.S. HOT 100 from January 1981 through December 1985. Billy Joel had 12 during that same time period.

Hall & Oats had 25 Top 40 Hits from January 1976 to December 1985 to Bill Joel's 23 during that time period.

But Rick Springfield and Hall & Oats did not have the huge album sales and concert ticket sales that Billy Joel had in that same time period.

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Quote from: So Cruel on November 14, 2025, 03:43:36 PM

Quote from: Tumbling Dice on November 14, 2025, 02:53:16 PM

I remember when the rich lists had Paul McCartney's wealth at £800m but when he had to open his books up to forensic accountants for his divorce case in 2008 it was found he only had about £400m.

Yup, because like everyone else, Sir Paul spends money.

In the year before his divorce Macca spent around £4.25m on general living costs including professional fees.

Mick Jagger has an extensive private collection of Andy Warhol's art.  How are the wealth guessers going to put a value on that?

Who knows. Jagger is smart, but a lot of artists are not very good with finances.

The Who reunited in 1989 because Townshend was running out of money.

The Who toured in 1996 because John Enthwistle owed over $5m in taxes. They said he was handed a cheque for $10m, paid his taxes, and blew the rest within a few years.

Kiss made millions in the 70’s, lost most of it because of bad investments by management. Then reunited in 1996. Ace Frehley made over $15m on the reunion tour, but within a decade owed the IRS.

Larry Mullen sued his financial advisors for losing millions in a bad shopping mall investment.

Adam Clayton sued his maid for stealing over $3m.

Rock music is littered with stories of big artists losing their money. These guys are talented in the creativity, but most never went beyond high school or art college.

It’s ridiculous for anyone to believe you can derive individual net worth from band touring revenue.

Cohen had to go back on tour at 75 to make a living because his manager had stolen almost all his money.

Same with Billy Joel. No one in the late 70’s and 80’s was producing hits at the rate Billy Joel was.

Rick Springfield had 15 top 40 Hits in the U.S. HOT 100 from January 1981 through December 1985. Billy Joel had 12 during that same time period.

Hall & Oates had 25 Top 40 Hits from January 1976 to December 1985 to Billy Joel's 23 during that time period.

Well that sure told SC. And Billy.

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Quote from: So Cruel on November 14, 2025, 03:43:36 PM

Quote from: Tumbling Dice on November 14, 2025, 02:53:16 PM

I remember when the rich lists had Paul McCartney's wealth at £800m but when he had to open his books up to forensic accountants for his divorce case in 2008 it was found he only had about £400m.

Yup, because like everyone else, Sir Paul spends money.

In the year before his divorce Macca spent around £4.25m on general living costs including professional fees.

Mick Jagger has an extensive private collection of Andy Warhol's art.  How are the wealth guessers going to put a value on that?

Who knows. Jagger is smart, but a lot of artists are not very good with finances.

The Who reunited in 1989 because Townshend was running out of money.

The Who toured in 1996 because John Enthwistle owed over $5m in taxes. They said he was handed a cheque for $10m, paid his taxes, and blew the rest within a few years.

Kiss made millions in the 70’s, lost most of it because of bad investments by management. Then reunited in 1996. Ace Frehley made over $15m on the reunion tour, but within a decade owed the IRS.

Larry Mullen sued his financial advisors for losing millions in a bad shopping mall investment.

Adam Clayton sued his maid for stealing over $3m.

Rock music is littered with stories of big artists losing their money. These guys are talented in the creativity, but most never went beyond high school or art college.

It’s ridiculous for anyone to believe you can derive individual net worth from band touring revenue.

Cohen had to go back on tour at 75 to make a living because his manager had stolen almost all his money.

Same with Billy Joel. No one in the late 70’s and 80’s was producing hits at the rate Billy Joel was.

Rick Springfield had 15 top 40 Hits in the U.S. HOT 100 from January 1981 through December 1985. Billy Joel had 12 during that same time period.

Hall & Oates had 25 Top 40 Hits from January 1976 to December 1985 to Billy Joel's 23 during that time period.

Well that sure told SC. And Billy.

I’m still trying to figure out how some dude named Colin Hay made it into the conversation.

What's with all these managers taking all the money?  I'm sensing a pattern here.  Just how many pies did Colonel Parker have his fingers in?

REM "Yeah we had some hits but the manager (accountant) took all the money and now we living the same trailer we met in".

The Who "Yeah whattayagonnado, manager took all our money'

Leonard Cohen "Same."

U2 "the manager took all our money but only to put in safekeeping and anyway bono invested in facebook and now we're rich, good times.  Because otherwise we'd be dead or on crack.'

The National welcome their fourth manager in 15 years, Bertis Downs IV.  "Here's to us!"

Keith Moon was so broke he had to drive his car into a pool to try and escape his creditors.

"He never drove a car into the swimming pool. He couldn’t even drive."

"Six of the cars had to have new paint jobs off. We’d also destroyed a piano. Reduced it to kindling. And don’t forget the carpet. And the Lincoln Continental in the bottom of the pool."